karen straughan: In one study designed to capture child sexual abuse (with
wording that places no moral value on incidents), only 16% of men with a
documented history of CSA reported it, compared with 64% of women with
such histories.
The narrative is "men are rapists/abusers; women are raped/abused"
The narrative is "women are victims; men are perpetrators"
I'd guess a lot of men talk themselves out of victimhood and a lot of women talk themselves into it.
The narrative is "women are victims; men are perpetrators"
I'd guess a lot of men talk themselves out of victimhood and a lot of women talk themselves into it.
Video by - LatumWay: The article in question - "If I Admit That 'Hating Men' Is a Thing, Will
You Stop Turning It Into a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy?" by Lindy West on
Jezebel.com
http://jezebel.com/5992479/if-i-admit...
I dunno if I explained myself well enough in the video, so I'll give you a brief summation here...
There are legitimate issues that men face that deserve to be discussed. But having mostly women talk about them in a way that frames them as women's issues, within an ideological movement that focuses on women, to the effect that any benefits men gain from the discussion are more likely just side effects than accomplished goals, seems counter-intuitive to me. Men need to be part of the discussion if the discussion is about men, and really, it should be taking place within an ideological space of itself, not within feminism.
This is not a rejection of feminism, or what it has done for women or society at large. But merely need for an intellectual complement to feminism that works in tandem with it, rather than against it, but within a space of its own, with it's own identity.
Unfortunately, the 'Men's Rights Movement' that we already have is largely populated by misogynist, homophobic, entitled cry-babies. It is full of men who grew up expecting women to act within patriarchal norms, who are now throwing their toys out of the pram upon realising that's not going to happen. It is as much (if not more) about opposing feminism and blaming it for the challenges men face rather than maturely and thoughtfully addressing them from a cooperative, evidence-led perspective.
(BTW - I recorded this a week or so ago, so it's actually no longer anywhere near as hot right now. Just FYI.)
http://jezebel.com/5992479/if-i-admit...
I dunno if I explained myself well enough in the video, so I'll give you a brief summation here...
There are legitimate issues that men face that deserve to be discussed. But having mostly women talk about them in a way that frames them as women's issues, within an ideological movement that focuses on women, to the effect that any benefits men gain from the discussion are more likely just side effects than accomplished goals, seems counter-intuitive to me. Men need to be part of the discussion if the discussion is about men, and really, it should be taking place within an ideological space of itself, not within feminism.
This is not a rejection of feminism, or what it has done for women or society at large. But merely need for an intellectual complement to feminism that works in tandem with it, rather than against it, but within a space of its own, with it's own identity.
Unfortunately, the 'Men's Rights Movement' that we already have is largely populated by misogynist, homophobic, entitled cry-babies. It is full of men who grew up expecting women to act within patriarchal norms, who are now throwing their toys out of the pram upon realising that's not going to happen. It is as much (if not more) about opposing feminism and blaming it for the challenges men face rather than maturely and thoughtfully addressing them from a cooperative, evidence-led perspective.
(BTW - I recorded this a week or so ago, so it's actually no longer anywhere near as hot right now. Just FYI.)
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